In today's episode, Taylor talks with Jodie Yorg. Jodie is a pre-licensed therapist, ADHD coach, and consultant who works with individuals and businesses to help process trauma, understand ADHD, and accelerate and grow their businesses.
Jodie explains how individuals with ADHD experience burnout, what RSD (Rejection Sensitivity, Dysphoria) is and gives neurodivergent folks tangible tips on how to avoid and address burnout.
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Meet Today's Guest:
Jodie Yorg started her journey as a teacher, helping youngsters to adults with ADHD thrive. After being an administrator for a few years, she transitioned to technology and had the pleasure of being an early leader at companies such as Yelp and Square. What has remained consistent throughout is the deep satisfaction Jodie feels helping people achieve their goals and uncover their strengths.
Jodie consider herself a lifelong learner and has a Master’s of Education from Endicott college where she focused on Integrated Learning to help students with learning disabilities such as ADHD and Autism thrive in academic settings. She later earned her MBA from the Wharton school of Business and is currently obtaining her Master’s in Clinical Counseling from Northwestern University.
A recent Chicago transplant, Jodie shares her home with children. She reads forty to fifty books a year, and considers it an honor to be a crossword nerd.
You're listening to Inner Warmup where your inner work begins. I'm Taylor Elyse Morrison, creator and author of Inner Workout and you, as always are our expert guests. Thanks for being here today. I finished writing the first draft of the Inner Workout book at the end of 2021. And I have learned so much about myself since then. One of the biggest things is that I got diagnosed with ADHD. I'm neurodivergent, I'm neurospacey as some folks like to call it. And while I talk about my experience with anxiety, and being highly sensitive in the book, ADHD doesn't show up, because I didn't know that was part of my experience. And while I wish I could go back and weave that into the book, I found out too late. But it's still a conversation that I want to have. I'm really curious. And as you'll hear, in this conversation, I'm learning more every day about the relationship between my neurodivergence and how I approach self care, and how I experience burnout as well. So today, on Inner Warmup, we have a conversation with Jodie Yorg, she is such a multifaceted human who also happens to be neurodiverse herself. She started her career in education, working with kids who experienced learning disabilities. She's a coach, she is a pre-licensed therapist, and she just has a wealth of knowledge about ADHD, about neurodivergence, and really approaches the conversation with so much intention and intersectionality. I know that y'all are gonna love it. So let me stop talking here and just let you listen to the conversation with Jodie. Welcome to the show, Jodie, I am so thrilled to have you.
Jodie Yorg
Thanks so much, Taylor. I'm excited to be here.
Taylor Morrison
So folks just heard a little bit about you in the intro, but it's always nice when it's coming from the person themselves. So can you tell us a little bit more about yourself and the work that you do in the world?
Jodie Yorg
Yeah, absolutely. So I am a neurodivergent person, myself, I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was 38. And in true neuro divergent form, I kind of think about my work as separated into three kind of related buckets. So I am a pre-licensed therapist in the mental health field. So a big body of my work is working with individuals in a mental health capacity, helping them kind of process through trauma. So I'm a trauma therapist. And then a second body of my work is as an ADHD coach. And I work with folks primarily in a business setting to help them understand their ADHD, and how to thrive with that diagnosis in their business setting. And then the third body of work is I am a consultant and I work with businesses to help them understand what's going on in their business, and how they can accelerate and grow their business.
Taylor Morrison
You explained those different pieces of your world. so well,
Jodie Yorg
thank you.
Taylor Morrison
And it's funny that you say like, oh, in true neuro divergent fashion, because I feel the same way about my work. And I'm often having to explain it in buckets. And, as I'm sure will continue, I'll continue to have revelations throughout our conversation, but I'm like, oh, that's probably a neurodivergent thing. That's probably my ADHD popping out a little bit.
Jodie Yorg
Yeah, for a long time, I felt kind of bad about that. And then I feel like the last, I'm 42 now I feel like the last four years of my life has really been understanding the things that really make me happy and kind of setting up my life very mindfully to exist in that way. And having a career that works this way is one of those things.
Taylor Morrison
I love that. And this might be an obvious question, but okay, you mentioned you got diagnosed with ADHD. ADHD is one of the focuses of your coaching practice. Why did you come to that decision to make that an area of focus?
Jodie Yorg
Yeah, it was kind of on accident. So I decided to be an executive coach because that was a thing I really loved when I was an executive. So in my kind of former life, I gosh, I've done it in true ADHD fashion, did 1,000,001 things in my career. I started as an educator, then I switched to technology, did that for a bunch of years. I've kind of moved my way up the corporate ladder, and ended up in a pretty high executive role. And I really just loved mentoring and coaching. And so when I decided I didn't want to be in the typical track anymore, I decided to do some executive coaching. And I ended up just finding a lot of folks who are neurodivergent. And because I had a background in that, I actually in education, worked with folks on the spectrum and ADHD. I have a master's in education as well. I found that I was doing a lot of coaching. And that really resonated with these folks. And so I started dipping my toes in the water with my LinkedIn posting on, here's what ADHD looks like. And here are some of the struggles that people have. And then I had people reach out saying, Hey, you do this, I think that might be me. Then I started really purposefully posting about those things, and more people came out of the woodwork. And what I found is, there wasn't a single person who reached out that when I explained what I do, and how I do it, didn't respond with, Oh, my God, you're describing my life. And I didn't know there was somebody like you and I need it. And so it just kind of became this niche thing that I get real joy out of doing. And people really get a lot of benefit out of. So it was totally on accident, but I love it.
Taylor Morrison
I feel like that's how the best things often happen. I feel that way about the work that I do in my coaching practice with a lot of people who are bootstrapped business owners or lifestyle business owners. And that wasn't something I planned. It was just like, Oh, these people keep coming to me and feel seen in what I talk about, so yay, for happy accidents. And yeah, I I feel like I must have seen something that you posted. We're both based around the Chicago area, we haven't met in person yet. And I feel like I had to have seen something you posted about ADHD, which is why we're getting to record this episode today.
Jodie Yorg
I'm pretty sure that's what happened, yeah.
Taylor Morrison
Well, we're recording this where like, it's January 31st as we're recording this, and we're in that point of the year, I don't know if you've seen any of the the memes where people say like, January was the trial run. It was the free trial of 2023. Now we're really into the year as we head into February. And I'm curious for you as someone who works with folks who are neurodivergent, especially folks who have ADHD. Do you have any observations about how they experienced this part of the year like these beginnings of the year?
Jodie Yorg
Yeah. So earlier this month, a lot of my clients were talking about just kind of holiday burnout. And now they're talking about, I'm still feeling burned out, but I'm needing to transition into execution mode. And what does that look like? And I feel like I'm caught behind the eight ball and I am in this place where I'm trying to do, I'm actually what it is, is I'm getting pulled in that draw of the whole new system, right? Like you folks with ADHD, love the new and shiny system. I can't tell you how many notebooks I have started and abandoned and planners I've started and abandoned. And my clients with ADHD who were feeling really burned out, are really drawn to that that new shiny system in the hopes that that's going to resolve all of that holiday burnout.
Taylor Morrison
That's relatable.
Jodie Yorg
Yeah, totally. So we're spending a lot of time talking about how do we recharge from that holiday burnout? And how do we really build on what we know works? And how do we execute successfully.
Taylor Morrison
And so you're talking about burnout, and this holiday burnout, I definitely can relate, especially as a business owner, but I would imagine this is true for so many people. You're trying to wrap up the end of the year you have more like social familial obligations, and then you're also trying to get prepared for the year that's to come. And this whole season is about burnout. And I wonder what the ADHD experience of burnout looks like compared to someone who's neurotypical.
Jodie Yorg
Yeah. So one of the things that I think is striking in my opinion about ADHD burnout, is how much much of it is sensory. So I was just talking with a client who was very recently diagnosed with and this as a assigned female at birth person still femme presenting, who was recently diagnosed, who was just talking about this. And it was revelatory to her that burnout was this physical sensation, and that it was so overwhelming sensorily. That it is, there's too much noise in my head, my body feels like it is both heavy, and like it's about to explode at the same time, that it means that I'm feeling anxious, but that anxiety is not showing up as a worry, it's showing up as irritation. And I can't even sleep at the same time. And so that is a really common presentation that I hear from my folks who are neurodiverse. Burnout for my neurotypical clients seems to be much more of I am really worn down, I definitely need to recharge maybe with my, with my family, I might need to do some of the things that really just recharge my spirit. And so we'll talk about those things. But with my ADHD clients, it's really the whole self, right, I might need to go to a dark room, what are the things that I'm doing that are going to emotionally regulate me, physically regulate me? What are the things that I'm going to do that are going to do that on a learn long term basis, and continue to keep that regulation moving forward? And a lot of times, we've never learned those skills, period.
Taylor Morrison
Yeah, there's so much about caring for yourself, that we weren't taught, I think about this all of the time, like how we're not taught how to be in supportive conversation with ourselves, how we're not taught to read our body's cues. And, I mean, this could go into a whole other conversation, I'm sure for you as someone who started their career as an educator. But I think a lot about how we could restructure curriculum to give people the skills that, not that it's bad to learn about the things that we learn about in school, but there's a lot of room for us to learn how to be in better relationship with ourselves. And that goes, whether you're neurotypical or neurodiverse.
Jodie Yorg
Mm hmm. Absolutely. I also think that the, one of the things that's challenging, that's really, I think, intersectional about ADHD, is the demands that are placed on female presenting people, and people who are assigned female at birth. So when we think about holiday burnout, for example, a lot of those demands are placed on female presenting people, right, the cooking, the cleaning, the buying of the gifts, the family dinners, that sort of thing, you exit that period of time, oftentimes, if you're a female presenting person, really, really, really, really drained. And then your my female presenting clients are thrown into the start of the year and executing in their careers. And they're at an all time low. What we know about the neurodiverse brain is that it's also really linked to hormonal changes in the body. And so that's something that's only recently starting to be researched. It's not explained very often to folks when they're diagnosed at all, like that is not something that was explained to me, I'm only recently starting to learn about it as somebody who specializes in this field. And so when you're kind of right about to start your period, you actually have lower executive functioning than kind of resources than you do at that right when you ovulate. And that is problematic, right, if you don't know about it, and so your burnout can feel even heightened at those periods and times,
Taylor Morrison
which is something that I have been experiencing personally. So in addition to my recent ADHD diagnosis, I also recently got diagnosed with PMDD. And it can be really derailing at certain parts of the month, where already like right now I'm we're recording this, I just finished my menstrual part of my menstrual cycle. So I just finished my period. I'm in a place where my focus is better, but I'm still having to do the work to just be able to maintain my focus that I have to do on a day to day basis as someone who has ADHD, but when I'm in like my luteal phase, I just like, it is so hard for me to focus and then also there's the relational aspect of it too. Something that really made me feel seen in my ADHD diagnosis was the rejection sensitivity and realizing, Oh, that is one of the major ways that my ADHD presents is this rejection sensitivity, which I'm sure folks are listening to this and may not know what that means. So I'll defer to you Jodie, would you be willing to give people like a quick primer on what rejection sensitivity is?
Jodie Yorg
Yeah, this is the piece that when we talk about it in session, my clients, their heads just start nodding vigorously. And it's how I work with my clients differently and why I work with them differently. But I'm going to start with the end of it, which is dysphoria. So dysphoria basically means that you can't see things for what they are. So if you have body dysphoria, you may actually look in the mirror and see your body is much larger than it is, for example. And as a result, starve yourself like that if you have body dysphoria, and you're anorexic, that's the cause of that. So rejection sensitivity, dysphoria, means that you are unable to accurately see, assess and feel rejection. People that have rejection sensitivity dysphoria often described feeling rejection as if they were punched in the chest, it's a physical sensation. And why this is correlated to folks with ADHD, is because so often in childhood, you're doing things "wrong", you're acting impulsively, maybe you're talking out of turn, and you're getting in trouble in class, or for those of us who were undiagnosed when we were young girls, in as we age, we are not quite picking up on the social cues of our female peers, because our attention is wandering, perhaps we are interrupting. And as a result, we are often ostracized by our female peers. And we tend to be rejected more often than not. Very often, if you look at the literature, male presenting people tend to externalize that rejection sensitivity. So you start to see things like irritability, anger, whereas in female presenting populations, it's internalized. You see perfectionism and negative self talk. And so this is something that is hugely present within the ADHD population.
Taylor Morrison
Oh, I just am sitting over here nodding my head, that piece about rejection, feeling physical, like it's, it's hard to explain to people who don't experience it. And I actually just had something earlier today where I got a rejection in my email right before I had another meeting with my assistant. Hi, Jennie, as you're listening to this. And I was thrown off, because I was like, hey, this thing just happened. And I know, logically, like, it's fine. But my body is I need a moment for my body to catch up to my, I don't even know what part of my brain I would necessarily call that, but the part that's able to logic and reason and see, okay, this is not an indictment on me as a person. They're not saying Taylor's the worst ever, but the feeling in my stomach is exactly like you said, I felt like I got punched in the stomach.
Jodie Yorg
Yeah. So in my work with clients, it all starts with assessments, like I won't begin coaching without a battery of assessments. And one of the things that I look at is emotional regulation. There's some interesting research that's starting to come out that is looking at the comorbidities of ADHD. For a really, really, really long time, what they thought was that ADHD was, quote, just comorbid with things like depression and anxiety. And that totally makes sense, right? Like, if you are constantly behind, yeah, it makes you anxious. Like, I know, it makes me anxious. When my physical space gets cluttered, I feel anxiety in my body, like a physical sensation. It's awful. What they're starting to recently find out though, is that emotional regulation is actually not just comorbid, for anxiety and depression. It also is a byproduct of executive functioning. And I think rejection sensitivity is the link. And so I look at things like how do you emotionally regulate, what are the cognitive tools that you do? And so things like meditation and mindfulness and anxiety are things that I look at with my clients. Because if you want to get a handle on your ADHD, and really use it as a strength where you can scaffold around the weakness, looking at rejection sensitivity, looking at the ways that you emotionally regulate when you encounter it is key, you just have to.
Taylor Morrison
Yeah, this is such a good reminder. I feel like I'm getting so much out of this conversation. And I'm, I'm glad that other people are listening. But if nothing else, these are things that I need to continuously be reminded. And it's fun too because in some ways, my therapist reminds me of these things. But it's great to hear them from other people and in different words as well, if that always helps it hit home. So if the name of the game for everyone is, we don't want to be burned out, like, that's why I started this company. And this work, is because I was tired of being burned out myself. What can people with ADHD do? And you've already started alluding to this, but what can they do to avoid burnout? Let's start there.
Jodie Yorg
Yeah, I always think about burnout for folks with ADHD as like totally tied to executive functioning. Right? It's like we have so many dollars to spend. One of the things that actually I had a client this week say, is, hey, how can we just make my executive functioning, quote, get better? And I think that that's the wrong lens. Our neurotype is our neuro type. And I think data is showing that over time, I wouldn't be surprised if if neurodiverse becomes closer to 50% of the population then not, right. And so if our executive functioning is the limiting resource, well, then the work becomes well, how do we make the best and most efficient use of that resource? So we were just talking about emotional regulation. If we are emotionally dysregulated, cognitively? That's super expensive, right? So let me put this back on you, Taylor. When you had that sense of like, Oh, I just got kicked in the stomach, how long did it take you to process that? And how much of your mind was on that?
Taylor Morrison
Oh, my gosh. I mean, I feel like honestly, I'm still processing it. Because it literally, I saw that email, like two minutes before I had to hop on to the call. So because I had that relationship with my assistant, I could just say, like, Hey, I'm a little off right now, because I'm still processing this thing. And then I honestly feel like I need to probably after this, like, sit down, journal for a little bit, do some breathing or something, because I'm still feeling it in my body. So yeah, and my mind, now my mind isn't on it as much. It's more like I need to, to work through the sensations in my body that are still feeling a little tight and prickly. But in like, shortly after it happened, it was like all I could think about, and I knew I was in this other meeting, but I was still thinking about that email.
Jodie Yorg
Right? So that's expensive, right? That's like most of your engine was going there. And I say that not in a judgement way. But to say the work then becomes how can we help you process through that much faster? How can we help you get through that physical sensation that you're still carrying much faster, so that you can then move on to a task that you cognitively want to spend more of that resource on. And so, really, that is what I think about, is to avoid burnout, is to really evaluate so much of your life. I for one was somebody who, the way I managed my ADHD, before I knew that I had it, was I just constantly lived in a state of urgency, because without knowing it, that's how I could get things done. I lived on one end of a dysregulated spectrum at all time. I was either constantly busy and constantly getting things done, because the only way I knew how to do it was in a state of urgency. Or I didn't have enough work. And I was dropping balls left and right. That was really expensive for me, and I was constantly burned out, right? And so now I'm able to structure my life in such a way that I think about things like, when do I go to bed, who are the people that I spend my time with. I do have a meditation practice. I pay attention to things like my caffeine intake. All of those things go into preserving my executive functioning for where I want it to go. So that I'm not having to live in kind of a polarizing deregulated system.
Taylor Morrison
That makes perfect sense. And I love this idea of like, it's almost reminding me of the person's name is escaping me now but Spoon Theory and the idea for people with chronic illness and how they only have so much energy and I talk about that a little bit in my book as well. But this is almost like cognitive Spoon Theory. And yeah, supporting myself in that way. I love that, that gives me such a clear visual like, Okay, I've only got so much to give, how can I support myself with what I have?
Jodie Yorg
What's interesting and I was sharing this with my client, is it actually does end up feeling like, oh, I have so much more executive functioning. I've gotten so much better at this. But I don't actually know that that's so. I think that you become more efficient at the resource. And then it feels like you've gotten better at it. But the reality is, when I reflect on my life four years ago to now. It's just a really different life.
Taylor Morrison
And it sounds like a really different life, in a good way for you
Jodie Yorg
In a phenomenal way, yeah, I got really busy over the fall. And it was too busy. And I was talking with my therapist. And I was like, I am just constantly at like an eight or nine anxiety because of how busy I am. And she was like Jodie, this is how busy you were when we first started working together, like you were always this busy. Isn't it wonderful that like, this is not your life anymore? Now how can we get you not that busy again, because now you know, you don't like that.
Taylor Morrison
And in that example, first of all, I love that for you. I'm so excited that your baseline of busy has lowered. I also love that you've built this relationship with your therapist. And this is just something I advocate for everyone having a relationship with a therapist, with a coach, even with a trusted friend who can reflect your growth and progress back to you and can also see some of those patterns. I have this happen, yes, with my my coach and my therapist, but also with my husband, who will just remind me that, hey, this is a different response that than what you've had in the past, or Oh, we've been here before, here's how you responded to it last time. Is that how you want to respond to it again? It's just really beautiful to have those journey mates with you.
Jodie Yorg
Yeah, I I don't know what I would do without my therapist. She's great.
Taylor Morrison
Yay for therapists.
Jodie Yorg
Yes, I agree. That is 1/3 of my professional life. So I'm definitely pro-therapist.
Taylor Morrison
Yeah. So that was a little bit about what we can do to avoid burnout. And in my dream world, the worlds that I am working towards and have to believe, to some extent is possible, is that there could be a world without burnout. It would take a lot of structural change, it would take a lot of man, just change at every level of society in order for that to happen. So in the meantime, while we're doing all of that good work, burnout is going to happen. Like that's why this season of the podcast exists, because I got burned out. And I have so many tools, and people in my support system and resources. And I still found myself at that point again. So I'm wondering once people are there, unfortunately, they've reached the point of burnout, especially neurodiverse folks, folks with ADHD, what would you suggest that they do to address it once they're in that point already, they're already burned out?
Jodie Yorg
So this is really a danger zone for folks with neurodiversity, and ADHD in particular, because often our instincts are working against us. So the ADHD brain is wired on novelty and urgency, right? That's what we love. And our instinct sometime, and then we do everything we can to avoid the thing that we dread. So for example, it takes the ADHD person 15 minutes on average longer to fall asleep than the neurotypical peer. And so we dread it, because we're going to sit there and it's going to take a long time. And so we don't want to do it. And so we'll do everything we can to avoid that dreaded task. And often that means like doom scrolling on our phone, which is counterproductive to the thing that we might need when we're burned out, for example, which is rest for our brain and our body. And so sometimes the popular advice that you're going to hear is actually not helpful for the ADHD brain. What you are going to hear in the popular advice is never do anything in your bed that isn't resting or sleeping because you don't want to train your body that bed is not for sleeping. A really great trick for sleeping, for example, is actually to engage in a task that is just taxing enough that you forget you're dreading being there. I have fallen asleep every night for the last 15 years of my life with a Kindle, does not have internet access, with a back light. And I read something just engaging enough that I am going to kind of stay awake, but not engaging enough that it will keep me awake. Other people will do a podcast or an audio book that is just above audible. So they have to strain to hear it. And that's going to make them tired. So you really want to think about what is the goal that I'm trying to achieve first? And how can I add novelty or urgency to that? Does that make sense?
Taylor Morrison
That makes perfect sense. And I'm sitting here smiling, because, so my ADHD diagnosis where it's coming up, I guess it's at six months right now. And it's just made me rethink so many of the things that I do, because, as I would guess, might be true for a lot of people, we build these coping mechanisms for ourselves, not realizing that's what we're doing. Like, that's why I'm an entrepreneur, because I needed that novelty, and the autonomy to give myself more not novelty. But with the sleep stuff, I'm giggling because pretty much since I was a kid, that's how I fell asleep, was, I would listen to like these radio shows on tape. And that would help me fall asleep. And then in college, I started listening to This American Life to help me fall asleep. And then now I alternate between listening to This American Life exactly like you said, like, it's not super loud. So I have to work to listen to it. Or I read a book until I literally cannot keep my eyes open anymore. So that's another, a new thing that I just learned, where, oh, that's part of why I do that. That's why I'm structuring my evening that way, another coping mechanism.
Jodie Yorg
I read that and I laughed out loud, because I was like, oh, yeah, because otherwise I just sit there. And I think, and I hate it, I remember why I started doing that. And so it's just so important to consider that. The other piece of advice that I would give is, along with that, like, really, what's your goal, is we will often as people with ADHD, just want to create a sense of accomplishment, right, to get away from the thing that we dread. And so we might get sucked into checking emails or folding laundry, or the thing that's easy to get done, when in fact, to give us that little dopamine burst, when in fact, the thing that actually is going to lower our stress the most, is going to bed, or maybe it is sending in our taxes, who knows what it is. But very often, because we just want to steamroll, right, we're rigid thinkers, we like black and white. Once we get on a path, it can be hard for us to get off that path. And so that's why meditative practices and mindfulness practices can be so helpful if you have ADHD, is it can create the practice of just taking a moment to take a breath. Because just that 30 seconds, can disrupt the rigid thinking, and then you can get off the path you are on and make a different choice.
Taylor Morrison
Yes, I love that way of phrasing it. Mindfulness is a way to get us outside of the rigid thinking, I needed that. I feel like I could keep talking to you about all of these different, all these different things and be like, is this because of my ADHD, is this because of neurodivergence? But I don't want to subject people to like a two hour episode. So I think I'm gonna start to wind things down. When this podcast started, I always offered up a reflection question, it comes out on Sundays, folks sometimes listen to as part of their self-care routine on Sundays. So if you could offer up a reflection question, and this could be specifically for folks who are neuro divergent, it could be for folks of all brain types. What's the reflection question that you would offer?
Jodie Yorg
I would encourage folks to really look at the behaviors they engage in and ask themselves, what are the behaviors that they're engaging in to avoid being present with their body? What I find for my folks with ADHD in particular, is very often it is avoidance that gets kind of in the way, and in particular, in our conversations, it's that way then leads to the shoulds and the shame and the negative self talk. And so what I do, I take a strengths based approach is very much flipping that on its head and to say, Okay, well what are the ways then we can build on your strengths, so that we make those things easier to do? But by focusing on where the avoidance is, that's usually where we can find it.
Taylor Morrison
That was such a powerful question. I hope everyone takes you up on reflecting on that question. Because all of us, regardless of what our brain looks like or how our brain functions, could stand to be in deeper relationship with our bodies. This conversation has been such a delight. I bet that there are folks who are here, who are listening who are like, I want to hear more of what Jodie has to say, so how can folks keep in touch with you?
Jodie Yorg
Well I'm on LinkedIn, I post pretty regularly about all sorts of topics, but especially in neuro diversity and inclusion. And then my website is just jodieyorg.com. And that's an easy way to follow me.
Taylor Morrison
Well, Jodie, thank you so so much for this conversation. And thanks to everyone for listening.
Jodie Yorg
Thanks for having me. Taylor. This was a great way to spend part of my afternoon I really enjoyed it.
Taylor Morrison
Me too, I feel like this gave me energy. I was starting to go downhill and this boosted me, I'm gonna ride this high to the end of the workday.
Jodie Yorg
Me too. I have a task I'm dreading, I have to go to the bank. And this is going to help me get there.
Taylor Morrison
I love it. I love it. We both needed this boost.
Jodie Yorg
Absolutely.
Taylor Morrison
Well, that's the show today. You got to hear me have some aha moments in real time. I hope that you will follow Jodie if you want to learn more. And if you haven't pre ordered the Inner Workout book, I mentioned a couple of concepts like Spoon Theory that get mentioned in the Inner Workout book, please take a moment to do that. It's just innerworkout.co. There's a link to preorder right on the homepage. We're also linking to it in the show notes. Pre orders are, I just cannot overstate, like they're a huge deal for authors, especially first time authors like me. So if you enjoy the content that we put out on Inner Warmup and Self Care Sundays, I hope that you'll preorder and that you will tell a friend. We're going to continue with the burnout season next week. Until then, thank you so much for your time. Thank you, as always for your expertise. And take care
